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ZH said on September 24th, 2009 at 3:09 pm    

This really is an astonishing experimental result. Do you know how influential it has been? Have the results been replicated? I would think there would be a great deal of interest in trying to verify and extend these results with further experiments.

Jason Patent said on September 25th, 2009 at 1:26 pm    

I don’t think the result has had much influence outside the small circle of academics who do this research. Which is itself astonishing — and why I tell as many people as I can about it. (It’s one of the first things I share when I give talks.)

As far as replication, the rod-and-frame test has a history of being used to test “field dependence” generally (it was invented in 1948), and there have been robust findings of correlations between field-dependence in the rod-and-frame test and non-spatial aspects of cognition and personality. For instance, field-dependence has been correlated with social anxiety, having to do with lack of internal control. Converse findings for field-independence.

Other aspects of personality related to field-dependence include: ability to solve certain kinds of puzzles, ability to recall certain kinds of information, and degree of responsiveness to social stimuli.

Put in this context, the specific cultural finding seems less astonishing. But to me, the fact that the rod-and-frame test can yield any information _at all_ about non-perceptual, non-spatial aspects of cognition remains shocking.

Peter Isackson said on September 26th, 2009 at 6:08 am    

This is very interesting and revealing, as is most of Nesbitt’s research. I would add one personal observation for what it’s worth. I frame it as an open question rather than pointing to any conclusion.

My generation was literally raised on IQ tests, a tradition that I think continues in the US. This test reminds me of the kind of observational “logic” one finds at the heart of so many IQ test problems. I think it reflects a particular view of intelligence elaborated in the early 20th century by educational theorists (not true philosophers or psychologists, a fact which has led to a kind of revolt against IQ imperialism by people like Daniel Goleman, who proposes the EQ complement or alternative).

The IQ view of intelligence puts a particular emphasis on the recognition of related patterns concerning distinct objects or entities rather than the perception of complex structure of interrelated objects and entities within a field. It tests the ability to separate otherwise interacting planes of meaning and sense, even at the cost of forgetting them altogether in order to isolate what is considered significant. IQ thus reflects, in part, the ability to separate objects from the field and to consider the field as irrelevant. This apparently derives from a specific analytical tendency within Western science, which is one of the keys to our success with technology and experimental science.

My point is this. I actually understood what the problem was about just by looking at the pictures, without reading the text. That is the result of a form of specific conditioning that I probably share with Asian Americans but which I suspect is more pronounced for European Americans, and this for a reason Daniel Goleman would understand. I have a conditioned fear of being judged for not quickly recognizing the testing strategy of the problem presented. In other words, rather than reacting spontaneously to a visual puzzle, I immediately look for the principle behind the testing logic.

I use the word “fear” to represent a possible difference with Asians. If I have a thesis to promote it would be that what we could call “emotional perception” actually interacts and interferes with “intellectual perception” (which I think is a better description of the intelligence tested in IQ tests and, I would say, is more honest in that it recognizes a strong cultural component).

My question is therefore threefold:

How much of the conditioning is attributable to culture in general and how much to our acquired experience of IQ type tests?

Secondly, how much do emotional dispositions and strategies affect the results of any test (I mentioned fear as a motivator for myself… so what would be the effect of an absence of fear or a different degree of fear?)?

Finally, do our background cultures create or contribute to those “emotional dispositions and strategies”? (I suspect they do).

Peter Isackson said on September 26th, 2009 at 6:09 am    

Whoops, sorry about the misspelling of Nisbett!!!

Alex said on August 2nd, 2011 at 9:22 am    

I’m looking for this apparatus, where does someone get a hold of something like this, or how could I replicate the test in Superlab or Matlab?

thanks!!!
Alex

PY said on February 21st, 2012 at 11:27 am    

I’m a PhD student from France and I work on individual perceptual typologies. The perceptual typology is the way our central nervous system use the multiple sensorial information avaiable to estimate the direction of the gravity vector. This is exactly what the rod-and-frame test is designed for. These results show that “Westerners” and “Asians” (I make it shorter) don’t have the same perceptual typology.

“Westerners” aren’t influenced by the visual perturbation. They are visual-independent. In contrast, “Asians” are visual-dependent. This classification can be also : “Westerners” are proprioceptive-dependent, and “Asians” are proprioceptive-independent, meaning that one group (“Asians”) refers preferentially to the visual information to estimate their subjective vertical, whereas the other group (“Westerners”) refers preferentially to the proprioceptive information (i.e. signals coming from their muscles).

This is the only conclusion I can do with these results. Concerning the cultural influence, I don’t know what to say… This apparatus tests some “low-level” sensory integration processes. It seems to me that these results are more the consequence of a genetic influence on the way the central nervous system is tuned, but with NO effect on the perception of gravity.

I don’t agree with your interpretation of this paper. “Westerners” and “Asians” are both able to estimate the direction of the gravity vector. But with different ways. This test cannot be interpreted otherwise.

Jason Patent said on March 1st, 2012 at 11:48 pm    

Peter,

How embarrassed I am that you commented two and a half years ago and I am just now responding. I don’t know how that happened. My apologies.

I’ll roll your three questions into one response. I have no doubt that test-taking strategies are culturally conditioned, as are the emotional dispositions and strategies that affect test-taking. As to how the emotions affect test-taking, as a non-expert I am speaking out of turn, but it is well known that the fear response in particular tends to overwhelm the higher cognitive functions. This has strong evolutionary roots: the amygdala rules us when we are afraid.

As to how test-taking strategies and concomitant emotions differ between the U.S. and China, I don’t know.

Again, apologies, and thanks for asking!

Jason Patent said on March 1st, 2012 at 11:59 pm    

PY,

You’ve got a lot of expertise that I lack. I’d have to learn more before I could begin to address your concerns. Instead I refer you to the original paper.

Offhand I would ask in reply: How do you know the differences are genetic? I agree that it is surprising that such “low-level” sensory processes might be influenced by culture. In fact that is precisely what I find so remarkable about the study. Unfortunately Ji, Peng and Nisbett did not study Asian Americans (as they did in many other studies), so for the moment we are left to conjecture.

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